Great reply.Thats one of the points i was trying to make.The reason i stopped fishing Throop was because i caught the same fish 5 times over a period of about 12 years ranging between 9-11 lbs.i,ve caught over 40 doubles there.whats the point of catching the same fish time and time again.I,m gonna try and attatch a photo of this fish to this post. if it don,t happen it,s back to the manual.......................I AM **** AT THIS>SORRY