hi lads. right here we go, the field beind the carpark is council land. the carpark to the right of the lodge,where we park to go to the river. is owned by a company called LEE MAR ESTATES, who own pear/mill. the carpark is free for all to use... OK. LEE MAR ESTATE PHON/ NO...0161.4302216. BILLY. PS... DONT FORGET ITS A ONE WAY SYSTEM NOW. BILLY