I've been experimenting with various knots over the last few seasons and have found the palomar knot to ultra reliable for swivels and hooks, it even out performs the knotless knot with flourocarbons at least.

7 jayzs.. and when you put it through the loop next to the eye i then put it back through the big loop before pulling tight. never had one snap or come undone
that way.. billy

Originally Posted by billyfish

7 and when you put it through the loop next to the eye i then put it back through the big loop before pulling tight. never had one snap or come undone that way.. billy

I think that makes it a tucked 1/2 blood, which I trust a hell of a lot more. The simple 1/2 blood does seem to undo itself occasionally.


First used the Palomar knot over 40 years ago. Never knew what it was called until I saw it a couple of years ago in a magazine. I may have sort of invented it for myself, for I never remember seeing it in any pictures way back then. Dunno who actually invented it or claims credit..not me for sure. It is a good knot, but I can't help but have minor instinctive reservations about any knot which tightly bends the monofilament.

The fish n fool knot also looks fairly good in theory.

Originally Posted by JayZS

I think that makes it a tucked 1/2 blood, which I trust a hell of a lot more. The simple 1/2 blood does seem to undo itself occasionally. First used the Palomar knot over 40 years ago. Never knew what it was called until I saw it a couple of years ago in a magazine. I may have sort of invented it for myself, for I never remember seeing it in any pictures way back then. Dunno who actually invented it or claims credit..not me for sure. It is a good knot, but I can't help but have minor instinctive reservations about any knot which tightly bends the monofilament. The fish n fool knot also looks fairly good in theory.

yes jayzs your right its also called 1/2 blood knot. you can also use it up the shank of the hook aswell. it works that way just as good.. billy

Originally Posted by JayZS

The fish n fool knot also looks fairly good in theory.

Just looked at fish n fool knot looks good for braid not so sure about mono or flouros. I'll take some line and few swivels to work where I have some super accurate scales and micrometers and do some tests. I'll let you know the results if interested.

to be honest jayzs i have never heard of that knot.fish n fool.. but looking at it it looks a good one.will give that one a try.. u live and learn.??? billy

Is that not a grinner knot ? cant see any differance , I use that knot a lot and is super but it dont work with the hi tech pole lines as it tends to kink them , dont know the names of half the knots I use and always getting my legs slapped of my mate whos a bit anal (carper) about his knots.

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Ha ha never tyed that grinner knot in my life, Ive no idea what Ive been tying then. As long as they dont break who cares.